Posted by: glasgirl, Glasgow on 10:54am Fri 25 Jul 08
Well done SNP. But now make it count and let the electorate know they have made the right choice.
Labour are just a clone of the Tories. They are bleeding everyone dry with their taxes and its the poorest who are suffering. Start listening Labour, if their Glasgow strongholds are going surely they must rethink their policies.
Well done SNP. But now make it count and let the electorate know they have made the right choice.
Labour are just a clone of the Tories. They are bleeding everyone dry with their taxes and its the poorest who are suffering. Start listening Labour, if their Glasgow strongholds are going surely they must rethink their policies.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 10:56am Fri 25 Jul 08
[bold]ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL!!![/bold]
Well done to the good people of Glasgow East for sparing us yet another Glasgow New Labour politician who would have been able to jaunt down to London, rake up massive expenses, and all the time sit back and do NOTHING for the people of the east end of Glasgow.
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic]
ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL!!!
Well done to the good people of Glasgow East for sparing us yet another Glasgow New Labour politician who would have been able to jaunt down to London, rake up massive expenses, and all the time sit back and do NOTHING for the people of the east end of Glasgow.
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Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents." Posted by: hugo, south side on 11:11am Fri 25 Jul 08
So the penny is in free fall, the public have finally woken up to Labour and its alleged support for the ‘working classes’. Not before time, Labour have represented the East End both at local govt and national level since time and memorial, and look at the state of it.
Surely the days of labour getting voted in as a matter of course are over. To much spin, to much control, to much arrogance, to much of everything in fact. The old saying rings true ‘familiarity breads contempt’
Community Planning processes which ignore peoples views. Regeneration Companies which swallow up cash for little sustainable outcomes, Planning decisions which ignore the view of communities. CHCP’s which are accountable to nobody, and they wonder why they lost ???
Well the real winner last night was the scottish public, who have shown that there is an alternative to the Labour Party and their cronies. Well Done the people of the East End
So the penny is in free fall, the public have finally woken up to Labour and its alleged support for the ‘working classes’. Not before time, Labour have represented the East End both at local govt and national level since time and memorial, and look at the state of it.
Surely the days of labour getting voted in as a matter of course are over. To much spin, to much control, to much arrogance, to much of everything in fact. The old saying rings true ‘familiarity breads contempt’
Community Planning processes which ignore peoples views. Regeneration Companies which swallow up cash for little sustainable outcomes, Planning decisions which ignore the view of communities. CHCP’s which are accountable to nobody, and they wonder why they lost ???
Well the real winner last night was the scottish public, who have shown that there is an alternative to the Labour Party and their cronies. Well Done the people of the East End
Posted by: glamkitty, Glasgow on 11:19am Fri 25 Jul 08
God help us all, the SNP and their nutty policies. Luckily, it wont matter, since they never actually stick to any of them.
But choosing between the SNP and Labour, its like asking whether you want to be kicked in the arse or punched in the face.
God help us all, the SNP and their nutty policies. Luckily, it wont matter, since they never actually stick to any of them.
But choosing between the SNP and Labour, its like asking whether you want to be kicked in the arse or punched in the face.
Posted by: Jack Simpson, Italy on 11:20am Fri 25 Jul 08
snp vicotry last night has shown the entire UK the scotland wants its independance NOW...
snp vicotry last night has shown the entire UK the scotland wants its independance NOW...
Posted by: glamkitty, Glasgow on 11:25am Fri 25 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Jack Simpson[/bold] wrote:
snp vicotry last night has shown the entire UK the scotland wants its independance NOW...[/quote] Speak for yourself!
And dont forget, there wasnt exactly 100% turnout at the vote. Apathy is rife.
Jack Simpson wrote:
snp vicotry last night has shown the entire UK the scotland wants its independance NOW...
Speak for yourself!
And dont forget, there wasnt exactly 100% turnout at the vote. Apathy is rife.
Posted by: Le C on 11:26am Fri 25 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Jack Simpson[/bold] wrote:
snp vicotry last night has shown the entire UK the scotland wants its independance NOW...[/quote] Has it?
Would you like someone to explain the difference between a by-election and a referendum?
Do things work differently in Italy?
Jack Simpson wrote:
snp vicotry last night has shown the entire UK the scotland wants its independance NOW...
Has it?
Would you like someone to explain the difference between a by-election and a referendum?
Do things work differently in Italy?
Posted by: eastendburd, glasgow on 11:37am Fri 25 Jul 08
Well done fellow eastenders in seeing the bigger picture but note of caution to SNP this was not a vote for Independance it was to warn all political party's complacency will not be tolorated anymore.
Well done fellow eastenders in seeing the bigger picture but note of caution to SNP this was not a vote for Independance it was to warn all political party's complacency will not be tolorated anymore.
Posted by: hugo, south side on 11:40am Fri 25 Jul 08
The Godfather, sorry Coooncilor Purcel will be glad he didnt decide to take the nomination.
Surely as a power/media hungry spin miester, sorry coooncillir, he must be think that he might have back the wrong political donkey.
Fear not, he can call up that old socialist turn coat chameleon, cooooncillor Ruth Black, who knows a thing or two about defecting from party to party. He can get advise off of her, and attempt to join the SNP. Lets face it, at this rate joining the SNP it is the only way cooooncillor Purcel will be able to guarantee that he will be at the opening ceremony of the East end Games :-)
The Godfather, sorry Coooncilor Purcel will be glad he didnt decide to take the nomination.
Surely as a power/media hungry spin miester, sorry coooncillir, he must be think that he might have back the wrong political donkey.
Fear not, he can call up that old socialist turn coat chameleon, cooooncillor Ruth Black, who knows a thing or two about defecting from party to party. He can get advise off of her, and attempt to join the SNP. Lets face it, at this rate joining the SNP it is the only way cooooncillor Purcel will be able to guarantee that he will be at the opening ceremony of the East end Games :-)
Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 11:41am Fri 25 Jul 08
Cant wait to celebrate with my English freinds and family, when England converts labour so far into touch you wont see them again.Well done Glasgow east.
Cant wait to celebrate with my English freinds and family, when England converts labour so far into touch you wont see them again.Well done Glasgow east.
Posted by: Kudos, Glasgow on 11:42am Fri 25 Jul 08
The people of the west end have stood up and spoken, they have had enough of the tax hikes weak pound and useless promises from labour. This should have been an ultra safe seat for labour and yet from day one they couldn’t get anyone to stand so it was left to 5th choice Maggie,
Can’t imagine who glam kitty was supporting last night. Did the raving loonies stand last night?
This was an excellent turn out for a by election possibly due to the sheer number of people **** off by labours failed promises.
Hank Marvin has hit the nail on the head with his comments.
The people of the west end have stood up and spoken, they have had enough of the tax hikes weak pound and useless promises from labour. This should have been an ultra safe seat for labour and yet from day one they couldn’t get anyone to stand so it was left to 5th choice Maggie,
Can’t imagine who glam kitty was supporting last night. Did the raving loonies stand last night?
This was an excellent turn out for a by election possibly due to the sheer number of people **** off by labours failed promises.
Hank Marvin has hit the nail on the head with his comments.
Posted by: Stewie Griffin, Glasgow on 11:45am Fri 25 Jul 08
That picture of Charlie Gordon is an absolute classic. Great stuff.
That picture of Charlie Gordon is an absolute classic. Great stuff.
Posted by: Jack Simpson, Italy on 11:48am Fri 25 Jul 08
This is what New Labour deserves, their arrogance of ignoring their core voters in order to please Daily Mail readers and middle England is astounding especially when they are never going to vote for New Labour anyway. Gordon Brown feels more at home in the company of Chief Executives of Multi-national companies than with the ordinary voter. He did not visit Crewe & Nantwich or the East End both were safe Labour seats. I didn't like Tony Blair but at least he pretended to like the ordinary person and he looked comfortable meeting voters.
New Labour arrogance of ignoring their core voters in the inane belief that the ordinary working class person has no other political party to vote for has led to the rise of the BNP in England and the success of the SNP, there has been no seismic shift of political thinking of the voters to the Conservatives just New Labour firmly entrenched in Neo-Liberalism ideology. Instead of attacking their natural voters like Public Sector Workers by saying we can't give you a decent wage increase because your demands will increase inflation, with the two years left in power New Labour should be taxing the greedy banks and energy companys that make indecent profits out of the exploitation of ordinary people. Start rushing as much legislation through parliament that will help ordinary working people survive and cushing the blow for when the Consevatives get in power for we are going to take a beating, forget about Cameron, George Osbourne is the real nasty danger there. In order for the Labour party to survive they need to go back to their roots for I fear that the Labour Party might go the way of the Dodo, I am sure over a 100 years ago the Liberal Party thought they would always be one of the ruling partys but look at them now.
This is what New Labour deserves, their arrogance of ignoring their core voters in order to please Daily Mail readers and middle England is astounding especially when they are never going to vote for New Labour anyway. Gordon Brown feels more at home in the company of Chief Executives of Multi-national companies than with the ordinary voter. He did not visit Crewe & Nantwich or the East End both were safe Labour seats. I didn't like Tony Blair but at least he pretended to like the ordinary person and he looked comfortable meeting voters.
New Labour arrogance of ignoring their core voters in the inane belief that the ordinary working class person has no other political party to vote for has led to the rise of the BNP in England and the success of the SNP, there has been no seismic shift of political thinking of the voters to the Conservatives just New Labour firmly entrenched in Neo-Liberalism ideology. Instead of attacking their natural voters like Public Sector Workers by saying we can't give you a decent wage increase because your demands will increase inflation, with the two years left in power New Labour should be taxing the greedy banks and energy companys that make indecent profits out of the exploitation of ordinary people. Start rushing as much legislation through parliament that will help ordinary working people survive and cushing the blow for when the Consevatives get in power for we are going to take a beating, forget about Cameron, George Osbourne is the real nasty danger there. In order for the Labour party to survive they need to go back to their roots for I fear that the Labour Party might go the way of the Dodo, I am sure over a 100 years ago the Liberal Party thought they would always be one of the ruling partys but look at them now.
Posted by: Victor, Milan on 11:58am Fri 25 Jul 08
Well done SNP - getting in was the easy part. Now prove your worth and do something for the people in the East End and don't just be a puppet for wee Alex - you should be committed to the community first and foremost not the party.
Well done SNP - getting in was the easy part. Now prove your worth and do something for the people in the East End and don't just be a puppet for wee Alex - you should be committed to the community first and foremost not the party.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 12:23pm Fri 25 Jul 08
[quote][bold]hugo[/bold] wrote:
The Godfather, sorry Coooncilor Purcel will be glad he didnt decide to take the nomination.
Surely as a power/media hungry spin miester, sorry coooncillir, he must be think that he might have back the wrong political donkey.
Fear not, he can call up that old socialist turn coat chameleon, cooooncillor Ruth Black, who knows a thing or two about defecting from party to party. He can get advise off of her, and attempt to join the SNP. Lets face it, at this rate joining the SNP it is the only way cooooncillor Purcel will be able to guarantee that he will be at the opening ceremony of the East end Games :-)[/quote] Well funny you should mention my chum Mr Purcell hugo, as I wasn't, but will now:
In the BBC coverage last night, at about 1.30am when it was clear it was a bad night for Labour, the anchor asked Mr Purcell about the ramifications of a Labour defeat. True to form the one-dimensional New Labour clone started talking about how his party needs to improve communication and presentation in order to get their message over to the people of Glasgow.
Of course, what he is too dumb to see is that the people of Glasgow DID get New Labour's message in glorious technicolor: they knew that New Labour has abandoned them and is about to go the full hog and blame and victimise them...
I'm just delighted that local New Labour has a figurehead who absolutely misses the point and will continue to ensure that New Labour's grip on Glasgow weakens exponentially.
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Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic]
hugo wrote:
The Godfather, sorry Coooncilor Purcel will be glad he didnt decide to take the nomination.
Surely as a power/media hungry spin miester, sorry coooncillir, he must be think that he might have back the wrong political donkey.
Fear not, he can call up that old socialist turn coat chameleon, cooooncillor Ruth Black, who knows a thing or two about defecting from party to party. He can get advise off of her, and attempt to join the SNP. Lets face it, at this rate joining the SNP it is the only way cooooncillor Purcel will be able to guarantee that he will be at the opening ceremony of the East end Games :-)
Well funny you should mention my chum Mr Purcell hugo, as I wasn't, but will now:
In the BBC coverage last night, at about 1.30am when it was clear it was a bad night for Labour, the anchor asked Mr Purcell about the ramifications of a Labour defeat. True to form the one-dimensional New Labour clone started talking about how his party needs to improve communication and presentation in order to get their message over to the people of Glasgow.
Of course, what he is too dumb to see is that the people of Glasgow DID get New Labour's message in glorious technicolor: they knew that New Labour has abandoned them and is about to go the full hog and blame and victimise them...
I'm just delighted that local New Labour has a figurehead who absolutely misses the point and will continue to ensure that New Labour's grip on Glasgow weakens exponentially.
--
Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents." Posted by: opinion, lanarkshire on 12:31pm Fri 25 Jul 08
another bad election result. the snp and labour live in a fantasy world. brown and his pathetic party make me sick while the nats and their independence drivel is a joke ! scotland would not last 5 minutes if it were a separate country. also, who wants a party that rubs shoulders with the likes of morons like brian souter, sean connery, rupert murdoch and the nauseating donald trump. what a joke !
another bad election result. the snp and labour live in a fantasy world. brown and his pathetic party make me sick while the nats and their independence drivel is a joke ! scotland would not last 5 minutes if it were a separate country. also, who wants a party that rubs shoulders with the likes of morons like brian souter, sean connery, rupert murdoch and the nauseating donald trump. what a joke !
Posted by: People Power on 12:35pm Fri 25 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Le C[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Jack Simpson[/bold] wrote: snp vicotry last night has shown the entire UK the scotland wants its independance NOW...[/quote] Has it? Would you like someone to explain the difference between a by-election and a referendum? Do things work differently in Italy?[/quote]
As pleased as I was to see labours Margaret Curran being given the read face she deserved, to match her jacket, we'll never hear the end of Salmonds rants . . . .
Another thing, I spoke to someone last night who is so paranoid about Scotland gaining independance, that they said they'ed leave the country if it happened.
This said, when we haven't even had a referendum on Independance officially declared.
Naturally there are pro's and cons to Scotland becoming fully independant. But, as SNP rarely keep their pre- election promises, then this statement of a referendum in 2010 is purely hot air & talk until that time.
I just hope SNP actually introduce real change & feelings, and that people in Glasgow East can hold them to their word.
Le C wrote:
Jack Simpson wrote: snp vicotry last night has shown the entire UK the scotland wants its independance NOW...
Has it? Would you like someone to explain the difference between a by-election and a referendum? Do things work differently in Italy?
As pleased as I was to see labours Margaret Curran being given the read face she deserved, to match her jacket, we'll never hear the end of Salmonds rants . . . .
Another thing, I spoke to someone last night who is so paranoid about Scotland gaining independance, that they said they'ed leave the country if it happened.
This said, when we haven't even had a referendum on Independance officially declared.
Naturally there are pro's and cons to Scotland becoming fully independant. But, as SNP rarely keep their pre- election promises, then this statement of a referendum in 2010 is purely hot air & talk until that time.
I just hope SNP actually introduce real change & feelings, and that people in Glasgow East can hold them to their word.
Posted by: mulross, Glasgow on 12:47pm Fri 25 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Jack Simpson[/bold] wrote:
snp vicotry last night has shown the entire UK the scotland wants its independance NOW...[/quote] That's the kind of idiotic, head-in-clouds rubbish that proves to the rest of us that the biggest handicap the SNP have are the numpties who support them. The party were virtually certain to win that seat when they put up the local hero as the candidate.
John Mason has been and extremly popular, committed and hard-working local councillor for the past decade. Ms Curran wasdropped in at the last minute as Labour couldn't find anyone else prepared to stad. The only "shock" was that John Mason won by such a tiny majority.
Jack Simpson wrote:
snp vicotry last night has shown the entire UK the scotland wants its independance NOW...
That's the kind of idiotic, head-in-clouds rubbish that proves to the rest of us that the biggest handicap the SNP have are the numpties who support them. The party were virtually certain to win that seat when they put up the local hero as the candidate.
John Mason has been and extremly popular, committed and hard-working local councillor for the past decade. Ms Curran wasdropped in at the last minute as Labour couldn't find anyone else prepared to stad. The only "shock" was that John Mason won by such a tiny majority.
Posted by: fuera_de_juego, Havana on 12:47pm Fri 25 Jul 08
The only surprise is that the winning majority is not larger. Labour have controlled Glasgow City Council and most, if not all, of the Westminister parliamentary constituencies within the City for years yet look at the problems facing parts of the city and people still blindly vote Labour. They take voters within the city for granted and then talk about listening and understanding people's concerns when they lose.
The real issue will be in a couple of year's time when the next Westminster election is called. Does Glasgow East return a Labour MP again and revert to the status quo?
By the way, Sydney, your signature ([italic]One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents[/italic] ) is a little OTT
"."
The only surprise is that the winning majority is not larger. Labour have controlled Glasgow City Council and most, if not all, of the Westminister parliamentary constituencies within the City for years yet look at the problems facing parts of the city and people still blindly vote Labour. They take voters within the city for granted and then talk about listening and understanding people's concerns when they lose.
The real issue will be in a couple of year's time when the next Westminster election is called. Does Glasgow East return a Labour MP again and revert to the status quo?
By the way, Sydney, your signature (
One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents ) is a little OTT
"."
Posted by: Hoof Hearted, GlasVegas on 12:52pm Fri 25 Jul 08
True independence will never happen. The politicians would never give up their jollies down to Westminster. If Scotland were independent, then there would be need to cross the border on "political business", so the expenses for flying, staying over, second homes etc., would be gone.
They would never give that up.
So, to those that fear independence, don't worry. And to those that want indepence, then what more do you want? We have our own legal system, our own education system, our own bank notes, and our own parliament with powers? What else do you want?
True independence will never happen. The politicians would never give up their jollies down to Westminster. If Scotland were independent, then there would be need to cross the border on "political business", so the expenses for flying, staying over, second homes etc., would be gone.
They would never give that up.
So, to those that fear independence, don't worry. And to those that want indepence, then what more do you want? We have our own legal system, our own education system, our own bank notes, and our own parliament with powers? What else do you want?
Posted by: Jack Simpson, Italy on 1:24pm Fri 25 Jul 08
to Lec and multoss and the rest of the royalists and loyalists..
WHY ARE YOU ALL AFRAID OF INDEPENDANCE ?
WHY WOULD YOU NOT LIKE FOR SCOTLAND TO BE INDEPENDANT ?
to Lec and multoss and the rest of the royalists and loyalists..
WHY ARE YOU ALL AFRAID OF INDEPENDANCE ?
WHY WOULD YOU NOT LIKE FOR SCOTLAND TO BE INDEPENDANT ?
Posted by: Arwen, Glasgow on 1:27pm Fri 25 Jul 08
All MPs/MSPs are as bad as each other. Vowing to help 'til they get power then letting said power corrupt them and make them greedy, so I didn't really care who won this by-election.
However, I am now quite worried that this may make it easier for SNP to introduce the stupid Local Income Tax.
I refuse to pay more than my neighbour for the same poor services provided by whoever runs this country, but, with more SNP sitting in the Scottish Parliment I may not have much say in the matter.
Boo Hoo!!
All MPs/MSPs are as bad as each other. Vowing to help 'til they get power then letting said power corrupt them and make them greedy, so I didn't really care who won this by-election.
However, I am now quite worried that this may make it easier for SNP to introduce the stupid Local Income Tax.
I refuse to pay more than my neighbour for the same poor services provided by whoever runs this country, but, with more SNP sitting in the Scottish Parliment I may not have much say in the matter.
Boo Hoo!!
Posted by: Eh?, Glasgow on 1:34pm Fri 25 Jul 08
A stunning victory and a rebuttal to the shift to the right by Labour. It would be interesting to work out what the motivations were of people switching to the SNP. Is it the removal of civil liberties, the 10p tax row, the war, the credit crunch, the liberalisation of the economy, trident? Or perhaps just a ‘ground swell’ of feeling that it is time to try for a change to the political establishment. What it does reflect in the electorate is that despite the problems that the east end has, it is populated by people who have analysed, discussed and weighed up what was on offer from the parties and perhaps even indicated an element of tactical voting. The sign of a truly intelligent electorate and this is to be congratulated. It should also be noted that the candidates argued and debated policy not personality (some on here should take note) Coming from a similar area where Labour never really had to try, this result may see a more active politics taking hold in the 'rotten boroughs' of Glasgow similar to what happened in the Tory heartlands in the late 1990s. Can the SNP capitalise and start building a power base supported by a large and active local party remains to be seen. If it does occur (it may already be there) then we will see a real re-engagement of people and politics. It is now clear that there is a political redrawing of the Scottish political scene which is quite different in its manner to that being seen in England.
However it should also be considered the effect that Mason's opposition to the stem cell research and the right to choose abortion may have had on a sizeable Catholic electorate which has traditionally voted Labour.
The result raises an entire list of questions and theories which will all make politics in our great city interesting, dynamic and quite entertaining over the next 5 years or so.
Ultimately though, did the electorate vote reflect a desire for independence remains to be seen? I would argue possibly not though a referendum in 2010 will ultimately answer that question.
A stunning victory and a rebuttal to the shift to the right by Labour. It would be interesting to work out what the motivations were of people switching to the SNP. Is it the removal of civil liberties, the 10p tax row, the war, the credit crunch, the liberalisation of the economy, trident? Or perhaps just a ‘ground swell’ of feeling that it is time to try for a change to the political establishment. What it does reflect in the electorate is that despite the problems that the east end has, it is populated by people who have analysed, discussed and weighed up what was on offer from the parties and perhaps even indicated an element of tactical voting. The sign of a truly intelligent electorate and this is to be congratulated. It should also be noted that the candidates argued and debated policy not personality (some on here should take note) Coming from a similar area where Labour never really had to try, this result may see a more active politics taking hold in the 'rotten boroughs' of Glasgow similar to what happened in the Tory heartlands in the late 1990s. Can the SNP capitalise and start building a power base supported by a large and active local party remains to be seen. If it does occur (it may already be there) then we will see a real re-engagement of people and politics. It is now clear that there is a political redrawing of the Scottish political scene which is quite different in its manner to that being seen in England.
However it should also be considered the effect that Mason's opposition to the stem cell research and the right to choose abortion may have had on a sizeable Catholic electorate which has traditionally voted Labour.
The result raises an entire list of questions and theories which will all make politics in our great city interesting, dynamic and quite entertaining over the next 5 years or so.
Ultimately though, did the electorate vote reflect a desire for independence remains to be seen? I would argue possibly not though a referendum in 2010 will ultimately answer that question.
Posted by: Jim on 1:34pm Fri 25 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Hoof Hearted[/bold] wrote:
True independence will never happen. The politicians would never give up their jollies down to Westminster. If Scotland were independent, then there would be need to cross the border on "political business", so the expenses for flying, staying over, second homes etc., would be gone. They would never give that up. So, to those that fear independence, don't worry. And to those that want indepence, then what more do you want? We have our own legal system, our own education system, our own bank notes, and our own parliament with powers? What else do you want?[/quote] [bold]What else do you want?[/bold]
"freedom for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."
(Declaration of Arbroath 1320)
Hoof Hearted wrote:
True independence will never happen. The politicians would never give up their jollies down to Westminster. If Scotland were independent, then there would be need to cross the border on "political business", so the expenses for flying, staying over, second homes etc., would be gone. They would never give that up. So, to those that fear independence, don't worry. And to those that want indepence, then what more do you want? We have our own legal system, our own education system, our own bank notes, and our own parliament with powers? What else do you want?
What else do you want?
"freedom for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."
(Declaration of Arbroath 1320)
Posted by: darzo78, glasgow on 1:36pm Fri 25 Jul 08
At last! Justice has finally been served to the party that has continually lied, dodged, ignored and taken for granted the once loyal honest people of the east end.
You can fool some people sometimes but you cant fool all the people all of the times.
Well done to my fellow east-enders!
At last! Justice has finally been served to the party that has continually lied, dodged, ignored and taken for granted the once loyal honest people of the east end.
You can fool some people sometimes but you cant fool all the people all of the times.
Well done to my fellow east-enders!
Posted by: Eh?, Glasgow on 1:39pm Fri 25 Jul 08
Jack in Italy. I don't think we're afraid of independence. More the country is having a debate with itself on the merits of independence. I for one am still undecided on which way I'd vote though i do support a referendum to not only have a meaningful debate but also to settle the matter. What many who I speak to on the left of politics fear in Scotland is that nationalism in any guise usually brings with it not so much a love of one's own country but a hatred of someone else's country. As i said I'm still to be convinced but do try to keep an open mind and will vote accordingly in 2010
Jack in Italy. I don't think we're afraid of independence. More the country is having a debate with itself on the merits of independence. I for one am still undecided on which way I'd vote though i do support a referendum to not only have a meaningful debate but also to settle the matter. What many who I speak to on the left of politics fear in Scotland is that nationalism in any guise usually brings with it not so much a love of one's own country but a hatred of someone else's country. As i said I'm still to be convinced but do try to keep an open mind and will vote accordingly in 2010
Posted by: Jack Simpson, Italy on 1:48pm Fri 25 Jul 08
Eh in glesga
my point is that it seems to be loyalists and royalists and orange order members who seem to be against Independance and i would like to know WHY?
Scotland will become independant of that there is no doubt the SNP are within touching distance of it as we speak and last nights result proves just that no matter how much you want to spin it..
So to all you cynical scots royalists and masons and orange order members WHY do you not want independance?
Eh in glesga
my point is that it seems to be loyalists and royalists and orange order members who seem to be against Independance and i would like to know WHY?
Scotland will become independant of that there is no doubt the SNP are within touching distance of it as we speak and last nights result proves just that no matter how much you want to spin it..
So to all you cynical scots royalists and masons and orange order members WHY do you not want independance?
Posted by: bigdogg, Glasgow on 1:50pm Fri 25 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Hoof Hearted[/bold] wrote:
True independence will never happen. The politicians would never give up their jollies down to Westminster. If Scotland were independent, then there would be need to cross the border on "political business", so the expenses for flying, staying over, second homes etc., would be gone. They would never give that up. So, to those that fear independence, don't worry. And to those that want indepence, then what more do you want? We have our own legal system, our own education system, our own bank notes, and our own parliament with powers? What else do you want?[/quote] We want control of our own resources. We want rid of the barmy barnett formula.
We dont want ruled by out of touch diddys in westmonster.
Look at the some other small countries in scandinavia at how well they do economically. Look at other oil rich nations.
Look at the state of Glasgow east.
Scotland needs change.
Independance
Hoof Hearted wrote:
True independence will never happen. The politicians would never give up their jollies down to Westminster. If Scotland were independent, then there would be need to cross the border on "political business", so the expenses for flying, staying over, second homes etc., would be gone. They would never give that up. So, to those that fear independence, don't worry. And to those that want indepence, then what more do you want? We have our own legal system, our own education system, our own bank notes, and our own parliament with powers? What else do you want?
We want control of our own resources. We want rid of the barmy barnett formula.
We dont want ruled by out of touch diddys in westmonster.
Look at the some other small countries in scandinavia at how well they do economically. Look at other oil rich nations.
Look at the state of Glasgow east.
Scotland needs change.
Independance
Posted by: The Real Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 1:57pm Fri 25 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
[bold]ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL!!![/bold] Well done to the good people of Glasgow East for sparing us yet another Glasgow New Labour politician who would have been able to jaunt down to London, rake up massive expenses, and all the time sit back and do NOTHING for the people of the east end of Glasgow. -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic] [/quote] "ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL"
This is a far cry from your pathetic rantings about the result being "inconsequential" earlier on in the week when you thought the SNP were going to lose.
Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intolerable rodents."
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL!!! Well done to the good people of Glasgow East for sparing us yet another Glasgow New Labour politician who would have been able to jaunt down to London, rake up massive expenses, and all the time sit back and do NOTHING for the people of the east end of Glasgow. -- Sydney Meriwether "One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."
"ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL"
This is a far cry from your pathetic rantings about the result being "inconsequential" earlier on in the week when you thought the SNP were going to lose.
Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intolerable rodents."
Posted by: The Real Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 2:01pm Fri 25 Jul 08
[quote][bold]mulross[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Jack Simpson[/bold] wrote: snp vicotry last night has shown the entire UK the scotland wants its independance NOW...[/quote] That's the kind of idiotic, head-in-clouds rubbish that proves to the rest of us that the biggest handicap the SNP have are the numpties who support them. The party were virtually certain to win that seat when they put up the local hero as the candidate. John Mason has been and extremly popular, committed and hard-working local councillor for the past decade. Ms Curran wasdropped in at the last minute as Labour couldn't find anyone else prepared to stad. The only "shock" was that John Mason won by such a tiny majority.[/quote] The "majority" may be small but the "swing" away from Labour is enormous!
mulross wrote:
Jack Simpson wrote: snp vicotry last night has shown the entire UK the scotland wants its independance NOW...
That's the kind of idiotic, head-in-clouds rubbish that proves to the rest of us that the biggest handicap the SNP have are the numpties who support them. The party were virtually certain to win that seat when they put up the local hero as the candidate. John Mason has been and extremly popular, committed and hard-working local councillor for the past decade. Ms Curran wasdropped in at the last minute as Labour couldn't find anyone else prepared to stad. The only "shock" was that John Mason won by such a tiny majority.
The "majority" may be small but the "swing" away from Labour is enormous!
Posted by: mulross, Glasgow on 2:07pm Fri 25 Jul 08
[quote]my point is that it seems to be loyalists and royalists and orange order members who seem to be against Independance and i would like to know WHY?
[/quote]
jack simpson - that ignorant post has just answered your own question. If your assumptions about anyone who does [bold]not[/bold] support independence are typical of those who [bold]do[/bold] support it, then the great majority of thinking and intelligent Scots would not want to be aligned with with idiots who hold such moronic opinions.
my point is that it seems to be loyalists and royalists and orange order members who seem to be against Independance and i would like to know WHY?
jack simpson - that ignorant post has just answered your own question. If your assumptions about anyone who does
not support independence are typical of those who
do support it, then the great majority of thinking and intelligent Scots would not want to be aligned with with idiots who hold such moronic opinions.
Posted by: The Real Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 2:10pm Fri 25 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Jim[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Hoof Hearted[/bold] wrote: True independence will never happen. The politicians would never give up their jollies down to Westminster. If Scotland were independent, then there would be need to cross the border on "political business", so the expenses for flying, staying over, second homes etc., would be gone. They would never give that up. So, to those that fear independence, don't worry. And to those that want indepence, then what more do you want? We have our own legal system, our own education system, our own bank notes, and our own parliament with powers? What else do you want?[/quote] [bold]What else do you want?[/bold] "freedom for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself." (Declaration of Arbroath 1320)[/quote] It's 2008 what "freedom" are you still waiting on?
Devolution, I honestly beleive is the best path for Scots in the future.
By all means vote out ALL Scottish Labour MP's and replace them with the SNP. A Scottish block of MSP's and MP's will present a united front to Westminster. It could also give the SNP the balance of power in Westminster which, if properly managed, would serve Scotland very well indeed.
Jim wrote:
Hoof Hearted wrote: True independence will never happen. The politicians would never give up their jollies down to Westminster. If Scotland were independent, then there would be need to cross the border on "political business", so the expenses for flying, staying over, second homes etc., would be gone. They would never give that up. So, to those that fear independence, don't worry. And to those that want indepence, then what more do you want? We have our own legal system, our own education system, our own bank notes, and our own parliament with powers? What else do you want?
What else do you want? "freedom for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself." (Declaration of Arbroath 1320)
It's 2008 what "freedom" are you still waiting on?
Devolution, I honestly beleive is the best path for Scots in the future.
By all means vote out ALL Scottish Labour MP's and replace them with the SNP. A Scottish block of MSP's and MP's will present a united front to Westminster. It could also give the SNP the balance of power in Westminster which, if properly managed, would serve Scotland very well indeed.
Posted by: glamkitty, Glasgow on 2:11pm Fri 25 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Jack Simpson[/bold] wrote:
to Lec and multoss and the rest of the royalists and loyalists.. WHY ARE YOU ALL AFRAID OF INDEPENDANCE ? WHY WOULD YOU NOT LIKE FOR SCOTLAND TO BE INDEPENDANT ? [/quote] Not with an imbecile like Salmond in charge. Hes everything thats foul about politics, but thankfully abandons his policies left right and centre.
Jack Simpson wrote:
to Lec and multoss and the rest of the royalists and loyalists.. WHY ARE YOU ALL AFRAID OF INDEPENDANCE ? WHY WOULD YOU NOT LIKE FOR SCOTLAND TO BE INDEPENDANT ?
Not with an imbecile like Salmond in charge. Hes everything thats foul about politics, but thankfully abandons his policies left right and centre.
Posted by: mulross, Glasgow on 2:14pm Fri 25 Jul 08
Just had a thought - is "Jack Simpson" not the narrow-minded bigot who has posted on previous occasions ranting against anything and anyone in any way connected to "Protestants"? The ridiculous reference to the Orange Ordergave the game away.
If so, I have to tell you Jack that John Mason is one of those hated "Protestants" and is an active member of Easterhouse Baptist Church
Just had a thought - is "Jack Simpson" not the narrow-minded bigot who has posted on previous occasions ranting against anything and anyone in any way connected to "Protestants"? The ridiculous reference to the Orange Ordergave the game away.
If so, I have to tell you Jack that John Mason is one of those hated "Protestants" and is an active member of Easterhouse Baptist Church
Posted by: glamkitty, Glasgow on 2:16pm Fri 25 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Jack Simpson[/bold] wrote:
Eh in glesga my point is that it seems to be loyalists and royalists and orange order members who seem to be against Independance and i would like to know WHY? Scotland will become independant of that there is no doubt the SNP are within touching distance of it as we speak and last nights result proves just that no matter how much you want to spin it.. So to all you cynical scots royalists and masons and orange order members WHY do you not want independance?[/quote] Just to confirm, I am absolutely NOT a loyalist, royalist, mason, or orange order member!
I just think the SNP is a joke, plain and simple.
Jack Simpson wrote:
Eh in glesga my point is that it seems to be loyalists and royalists and orange order members who seem to be against Independance and i would like to know WHY? Scotland will become independant of that there is no doubt the SNP are within touching distance of it as we speak and last nights result proves just that no matter how much you want to spin it.. So to all you cynical scots royalists and masons and orange order members WHY do you not want independance?
Just to confirm, I am absolutely NOT a loyalist, royalist, mason, or orange order member!
I just think the SNP is a joke, plain and simple.
Posted by: steve4349, larbet on 2:16pm Fri 25 Jul 08
wee wendy of the bungs,charlie gordon of the brown envelopes,cash for honours,cash through third parties for labour,peter hains 100k ,mp marshalls claims for non exsistent offices and staff,casanova prescott,blair returns 1 million to ecclestone, mps noses in the trough at every opportunity ,the voters are sick of the sleaze corruption and dishonesty of the liebour stasi party, and they wonder why they lost the by election
wee wendy of the bungs,charlie gordon of the brown envelopes,cash for honours,cash through third parties for labour,peter hains 100k ,mp marshalls claims for non exsistent offices and staff,casanova prescott,blair returns 1 million to ecclestone, mps noses in the trough at every opportunity ,the voters are sick of the sleaze corruption and dishonesty of the liebour stasi party, and they wonder why they lost the by election
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 2:32pm Fri 25 Jul 08
[quote][bold]The Real Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sydney Meriwether[/bold] wrote:
[bold]ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL!!![/bold] Well done to the good people of Glasgow East for sparing us yet another Glasgow New Labour politician who would have been able to jaunt down to London, rake up massive expenses, and all the time sit back and do NOTHING for the people of the east end of Glasgow. -- Sydney Meriwether [italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic] [/quote] "ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL"
This is a far cry from your pathetic rantings about the result being "inconsequential" earlier on in the week when you thought the SNP were going to lose.
Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intolerable rodents." [/quote] Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha... ha!
--
Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."[/italic]
The Real Sydney Meriwether wrote:
Sydney Meriwether wrote:
ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL!!! Well done to the good people of Glasgow East for sparing us yet another Glasgow New Labour politician who would have been able to jaunt down to London, rake up massive expenses, and all the time sit back and do NOTHING for the people of the east end of Glasgow. -- Sydney Meriwether "One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents."
"ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL"
This is a far cry from your pathetic rantings about the result being "inconsequential" earlier on in the week when you thought the SNP were going to lose.
Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intolerable rodents."
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha... ha!
--
Sydney Meriwether
"One of Glasgow's more intelligent residents." Posted by: Eh?, Glasgow on 2:35pm Fri 25 Jul 08
Jack in italy
You are another perfect example of the rabid nationalists I have been criticising recently and fear for the future of Scotland if you were ever to be sitting at the big table.
You are one of the main reasons why I am still to be convinced that independence is the elixir you seem to beleive it is. I fit none of your descriptions. What I do have is intelligence and an ability to see more colours than simply black and white
Are you and Sydney flatmates?
Jack in italy
You are another perfect example of the rabid nationalists I have been criticising recently and fear for the future of Scotland if you were ever to be sitting at the big table.
You are one of the main reasons why I am still to be convinced that independence is the elixir you seem to beleive it is. I fit none of your descriptions. What I do have is intelligence and an ability to see more colours than simply black and white
Are you and Sydney flatmates?
Posted by: Eh?, Glasgow on 2:39pm Fri 25 Jul 08
Sydney,
I see your intellectual prowess is still nowhere to be found. You are quite an embarrassment to the city. Please change your moniker to something more fitting and accurate
Sydney,
I see your intellectual prowess is still nowhere to be found. You are quite an embarrassment to the city. Please change your moniker to something more fitting and accurate
Posted by: Le C on 2:40pm Fri 25 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Jack Simpson[/bold] wrote:
Eh in glesga
my point is that it seems to be loyalists and royalists and orange order members who seem to be against Independance and i would like to know WHY?
Scotland will become independant of that there is no doubt the SNP are within touching distance of it as we speak and last nights result proves just that no matter how much you want to spin it..
So to all you cynical scots royalists and masons and orange order members WHY do you not want independance?[/quote] Great argument - counter the question of independence with another question - "why do you not want independence?"
Given that you have chosen to focus upon "cynical scots royalists and masons and orange order members", I'm left with the impression that it is your dislike of these people rather than the benefits to Scotland that informs your own views.
Jack Simpson wrote:
Eh in glesga
my point is that it seems to be loyalists and royalists and orange order members who seem to be against Independance and i would like to know WHY?
Scotland will become independant of that there is no doubt the SNP are within touching distance of it as we speak and last nights result proves just that no matter how much you want to spin it..
So to all you cynical scots royalists and masons and orange order members WHY do you not want independance?
Great argument - counter the question of independence with another question - "why do you not want independence?"
Given that you have chosen to focus upon "cynical scots royalists and masons and orange order members", I'm left with the impression that it is your dislike of these people rather than the benefits to Scotland that informs your own views.
Posted by: Sydney Meriwether, Glasgow on 2:40pm Fri 25 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Eh?[/bold] wrote:
Jack in italy
You are another perfect example of the rabid nationalists I have been criticising recently and fear for the future of Scotland if you were ever to be sitting at the big table.
You are one of the main reasons why I am still to be convinced that independence is the elixir you seem to beleive it is. I fit none of your descriptions. What I do have is intelligence and an ability to see more colours than simply black and white
Are you and Sydney flatmates? [/quote] I'm in such a good mood, I'm only going to pull you up for your spelling:
[italic]"I before E except after C"[/italic]
--
Sydney Meriwether
[italic]"I feel like chicken tonight!"[/italic]
Eh? wrote:
Jack in italy
You are another perfect example of the rabid nationalists I have been criticising recently and fear for the future of Scotland if you were ever to be sitting at the big table.
You are one of the main reasons why I am still to be convinced that independence is the elixir you seem to beleive it is. I fit none of your descriptions. What I do have is intelligence and an ability to see more colours than simply black and white
Are you and Sydney flatmates?
I'm in such a good mood, I'm only going to pull you up for your spelling:
"I before E except after C"
--
Sydney Meriwether
"I feel like chicken tonight!" Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 2:46pm Fri 25 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Jack Simpson[/bold] wrote:
to Lec and multoss and the rest of the royalists and loyalists.. WHY ARE YOU ALL AFRAID OF INDEPENDANCE ? WHY WOULD YOU NOT LIKE FOR SCOTLAND TO BE INDEPENDANT ? [/quote]
Jack to you, and other Posters from outwith the UK, and particular Glasgow & it's Glasgow East Constituency stick to your own politics.
Why should you care so much about Independance for Scotland when you won't even be under its political rule.
People care far too much about the global picture & global economy, and forget it's waht they do as individuals at a active, local level for themselves, and their own community that counts.
Of course we should pay attention to the global situation, and recognise the impact it has upon our country......
but that doesn't stop us having a duty to getting on with doing the things we've got to do at a local level. Either within local community groups, actively ourselves, not totally relying on our councillors - MSP's & MP's to resolve issues which have been ongoing.
Such is the level of public apathy that people have to find the answers for themselves, and get together far more to ultimately lobby councillors, but to do what we can do ourselves too.
The bottom line is our MP's on their overpayed salary can go back to their cushy homes, lives and know they'll never be out of pocket.
They'll always have their advisors, team of staff working for them.
Whatever happens within the global situation, politically or financially, unless we become far more pro-active ourselves, and see action rather than words being the deciding factor clearly nothing will ever change.
Jack Simpson wrote:
to Lec and multoss and the rest of the royalists and loyalists.. WHY ARE YOU ALL AFRAID OF INDEPENDANCE ? WHY WOULD YOU NOT LIKE FOR SCOTLAND TO BE INDEPENDANT ?
Jack to you, and other Posters from outwith the UK, and particular Glasgow & it's Glasgow East Constituency stick to your own politics.
Why should you care so much about Independance for Scotland when you won't even be under its political rule.
People care far too much about the global picture & global economy, and forget it's waht they do as individuals at a active, local level for themselves, and their own community that counts.
Of course we should pay attention to the global situation, and recognise the impact it has upon our country......
but that doesn't stop us having a duty to getting on with doing the things we've got to do at a local level. Either within local community groups, actively ourselves, not totally relying on our councillors - MSP's & MP's to resolve issues which have been ongoing.
Such is the level of public apathy that people have to find the answers for themselves, and get together far more to ultimately lobby councillors, but to do what we can do ourselves too.
The bottom line is our MP's on their overpayed salary can go back to their cushy homes, lives and know they'll never be out of pocket.
They'll always have their advisors, team of staff working for them.
Whatever happens within the global situation, politically or financially, unless we become far more pro-active ourselves, and see action rather than words being the deciding factor clearly nothing will ever change.
Posted by: GML, right here on 2:47pm Fri 25 Jul 08
Margaret Curran states she is committed to tackling poverty and inequality. That's why she lives in a sandstone mansion in Newlands and her son goes to Oxford. Tackling poverty and inequality begins at home, obviously.
As for the hardline unionism of opinion lanarkshire, even old grannies don't believe that drivel any more. Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Croats, Slovenians, Czechs, Slovaks, Ukrainians, Georgians and (if you go back a few more years) Irishmen, Norwegians, Greeks and Portuguese - they all get up in the morning and wonder if their country is 'too small to survive' and whether it will 'last five minutes'. That's really happening, all over Europe, really it is....glamkitty, if you are looking for a joke, start here.
Margaret Curran states she is committed to tackling poverty and inequality. That's why she lives in a sandstone mansion in Newlands and her son goes to Oxford. Tackling poverty and inequality begins at home, obviously.
As for the hardline unionism of opinion lanarkshire, even old grannies don't believe that drivel any more. Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Croats, Slovenians, Czechs, Slovaks, Ukrainians, Georgians and (if you go back a few more years) Irishmen, Norwegians, Greeks and Portuguese - they all get up in the morning and wonder if their country is 'too small to survive' and whether it will 'last five minutes'. That's really happening, all over Europe, really it is....glamkitty, if you are looking for a joke, start here.
Posted by: Jack Simpson, Italy on 2:50pm Fri 25 Jul 08
multoss my post spells the truth otherwise a royalistloyalist like your self would not bite
and can you answer me why Scotland could not compete with the following countries in prosperity especially aas they are our neighbours..?
Iceland =3rd most prosperous country in the world
Eire =4th most prosperous country in the world
Norway= 6th most prosperous in the world
multoss my post spells the truth otherwise a royalistloyalist like your self would not bite
and can you answer me why Scotland could not compete with the following countries in prosperity especially aas they are our neighbours..?
Iceland =3rd most prosperous country in the world
Eire =4th most prosperous country in the world
Norway= 6th most prosperous in the world
Posted by: jkr, Lochwinnoch Greater Glasgow on 3:09pm Fri 25 Jul 08
Well done the SNP but well done too the Tory candidate Davina Rankin. To move up to 3rd place in Glasgow East is no mean achievement. She pushed the Lib Dems well into 4th place.
One less Labour MP is great news!!
Well done the SNP but well done too the Tory candidate Davina Rankin. To move up to 3rd place in Glasgow East is no mean achievement. She pushed the Lib Dems well into 4th place.
One less Labour MP is great news!!
Posted by: Eh?, Glasgow on 3:14pm Fri 25 Jul 08
Sadly Sydney that about sums up your contribution to this site. Nothing much to say and stuck looking for spelling mistakes (as opposed to errors; I'll allow you to work out the difference) as opposed to offering coherent argument.
Sadly, yet again, I must award you a D minus Sydney.
Sadly Sydney that about sums up your contribution to this site. Nothing much to say and stuck looking for spelling mistakes (as opposed to errors; I'll allow you to work out the difference) as opposed to offering coherent argument.
Sadly, yet again, I must award you a D minus Sydney.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 3:20pm Fri 25 Jul 08
[quote][bold]jkr[/bold] wrote:
Well done the SNP but well done too the Tory candidate Davina Rankin. To move up to 3rd place in Glasgow East is no mean achievement. She pushed the Lib Dems well into 4th place. One less Labour MP is great news!![/quote] jkr,
I see what you're saying, but lets wait and see before all those everywhere except Glasgow East give their hypocritical rants about how much better off those in Glasgow East will be.
The proof will be in the pudding - sorry, I meant John Mason. Lets see if he's as sweet as the voters thought he'd be 3 - 6 months down the line. I certainly hope so, for the sake of all those in Glasgow East who gave him their vote.
As for the bigger picture of Independance in Scotland, lets not encourage this deluded fantasy of Salmonds just get.
Jack stop your drivling deluded nonsense, and go back & eat your bruschetta & minestrone soup.
jkr wrote:
Well done the SNP but well done too the Tory candidate Davina Rankin. To move up to 3rd place in Glasgow East is no mean achievement. She pushed the Lib Dems well into 4th place. One less Labour MP is great news!!
jkr,
I see what you're saying, but lets wait and see before all those everywhere except Glasgow East give their hypocritical rants about how much better off those in Glasgow East will be.
The proof will be in the pudding - sorry, I meant John Mason. Lets see if he's as sweet as the voters thought he'd be 3 - 6 months down the line. I certainly hope so, for the sake of all those in Glasgow East who gave him their vote.
As for the bigger picture of Independance in Scotland, lets not encourage this deluded fantasy of Salmonds just get.
Jack stop your drivling deluded nonsense, and go back & eat your bruschetta & minestrone soup.
Posted by: john, renfrew on 3:25pm Fri 25 Jul 08
Labour has long deserted its socialist principles. Basically, you cannot seperate them from the tories with a cigarette paper. I feel fortunate, that unlike the rest of the UK we have a real alternative.
The SNP is continuing to prove that we do not benefit from a 'one size fits all' government. We do not benefit from a bumbling and corrupt Whitehall nanny.
The chickens are coming home to roost.
Labour has long deserted its socialist principles. Basically, you cannot seperate them from the tories with a cigarette paper. I feel fortunate, that unlike the rest of the UK we have a real alternative.
The SNP is continuing to prove that we do not benefit from a 'one size fits all' government. We do not benefit from a bumbling and corrupt Whitehall nanny.
The chickens are coming home to roost.
Posted by: TheGlaswegian, Edinburgh on 3:27pm Fri 25 Jul 08
Congratulations to the people of Glasgow East! The honour of booting labour in the baws belongs to those that suffered most under them!
Yesterday was a mighty boot and I can't wait for the people in the remnants of Scotland's traditional labour heartlands to get their opportunity.
Onwards and upwards!
Congratulations to the people of Glasgow East! The honour of booting labour in the baws belongs to those that suffered most under them!
Yesterday was a mighty boot and I can't wait for the people in the remnants of Scotland's traditional labour heartlands to get their opportunity.
Onwards and upwards!
Posted by: Jack Simpson, Italy on 3:29pm Fri 25 Jul 08
jkr i smell your fear of independance and would love to know why you dont think Scotland can compete with Iceland Norway or Eire in prosperity and why you are afraid of independance..
I prefer a nice barolo with nocchi pommodores..
jkr i smell your fear of independance and would love to know why you dont think Scotland can compete with Iceland Norway or Eire in prosperity and why you are afraid of independance..
I prefer a nice barolo with nocchi pommodores..
Posted by: James, Glasgow on 3:31pm Fri 25 Jul 08
Well done, fellow Shettlestonians for breaking the rancid and crusty old mould. A Glasgow kiss for Brown and his neolabour suits sure enough:
http://www.neoclassi
cs.blogspot.com
Well done, fellow Shettlestonians for breaking the rancid and crusty old mould. A Glasgow kiss for Brown and his neolabour suits sure enough:
http://www.neoclassi
cs.blogspot.com
Posted by: jkr, Lochwinnich Greater Glasgow on 3:37pm Fri 25 Jul 08
[quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]jkr[/bold] wrote: Well done the SNP but well done too the Tory candidate Davina Rankin. To move up to 3rd place in Glasgow East is no mean achievement. She pushed the Lib Dems well into 4th place. One less Labour MP is great news!![/quote] jkr, I see what you're saying, but lets wait and see before all those everywhere except Glasgow East give their hypocritical rants about how much better off those in Glasgow East will be. The proof will be in the pudding - sorry, I meant John Mason. Lets see if he's as sweet as the voters thought he'd be 3 - 6 months down the line. I certainly hope so, for the sake of all those in Glasgow East who gave him their vote. As for the bigger picture of Independance in Scotland, lets not encourage this deluded fantasy of Salmonds just get. Jack stop your drivling deluded nonsense, and go back & eat your bruschetta & minestrone soup. [/quote] people power
I agree with you about independence. If there is a referendum I will vote 'No' but wouldn't lose too much sleep if it went the other way. David Cameron the next UK prime Minister should pre-empt this by having talks with Alex Salmond about far more powers including taxation being granted to the Scottish govenment but within the Union. While I think there will be more Scottish Tory MPs from Scottish constituencies after the next election they will still be a minority and Alex Salmond would use this as an excuse to cause trouble with a UK Tory administration.
People Power wrote:
jkr wrote: Well done the SNP but well done too the Tory candidate Davina Rankin. To move up to 3rd place in Glasgow East is no mean achievement. She pushed the Lib Dems well into 4th place. One less Labour MP is great news!!
jkr, I see what you're saying, but lets wait and see before all those everywhere except Glasgow East give their hypocritical rants about how much better off those in Glasgow East will be. The proof will be in the pudding - sorry, I meant John Mason. Lets see if he's as sweet as the voters thought he'd be 3 - 6 months down the line. I certainly hope so, for the sake of all those in Glasgow East who gave him their vote. As for the bigger picture of Independance in Scotland, lets not encourage this deluded fantasy of Salmonds just get. Jack stop your drivling deluded nonsense, and go back & eat your bruschetta & minestrone soup.
people power
I agree with you about independence. If there is a referendum I will vote 'No' but wouldn't lose too much sleep if it went the other way. David Cameron the next UK prime Minister should pre-empt this by having talks with Alex Salmond about far more powers including taxation being granted to the Scottish govenment but within the Union. While I think there will be more Scottish Tory MPs from Scottish constituencies after the next election they will still be a minority and Alex Salmond would use this as an excuse to cause trouble with a UK Tory administration.
Posted by: Jack Simpson, Italy on 3:48pm Fri 25 Jul 08
jkr
the tories are not wanted in scotland they are royalist and loyalist lovers who had there time back when thatcher was in power and look at the shambolic mess they left the east end and country in thus they will never ever be in power in Scotland..
Grab independance with both hands this time and vote yes and stop voting No or for the tories because your daddie and grand daddie did.. be a man for once in your lifetime
jkr
the tories are not wanted in scotland they are royalist and loyalist lovers who had there time back when thatcher was in power and look at the shambolic mess they left the east end and country in thus they will never ever be in power in Scotland..
Grab independance with both hands this time and vote yes and stop voting No or for the tories because your daddie and grand daddie did.. be a man for once in your lifetime
Posted by: Happychappy, glasgow on 3:58pm Fri 25 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Hoof Hearted[/bold] wrote:
True independence will never happen. The politicians would never give up their jollies down to Westminster. If Scotland were independent, then there would be need to cross the border on "political business", so the expenses for flying, staying over, second homes etc., would be gone. They would never give that up. So, to those that fear independence, don't worry. And to those that want indepence, then what more do you want? We have our own legal system, our own education system, our own bank notes, and our own parliament with powers? What else do you want?[/quote] Prosperity that matches our natural wealth and talent. A scottish culture that is not so divided along religious divides. And a grown up government that is not robbing us blind, whilst telling us we never had it so good.
Big ask, but I would much rather the problems were faced by people who live here and who are accountable here.
Hoof Hearted wrote:
True independence will never happen. The politicians would never give up their jollies down to Westminster. If Scotland were independent, then there would be need to cross the border on "political business", so the expenses for flying, staying over, second homes etc., would be gone. They would never give that up. So, to those that fear independence, don't worry. And to those that want indepence, then what more do you want? We have our own legal system, our own education system, our own bank notes, and our own parliament with powers? What else do you want?
Prosperity that matches our natural wealth and talent. A scottish culture that is not so divided along religious divides. And a grown up government that is not robbing us blind, whilst telling us we never had it so good.
Big ask, but I would much rather the problems were faced by people who live here and who are accountable here.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 4:04pm Fri 25 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Jack Simpson[/bold] wrote:
jkr the tories are not wanted in scotland they are royalist and loyalist lovers who had there time back when thatcher was in power and look at the shambolic mess they left the east end and country in thus they will never ever be in power in Scotland.. Grab independance with both hands this time and vote yes and stop voting No or for the tories because your daddie and grand daddie did.. be a man for once in your lifetime[/quote] Jack,
If you really are in Italy, why should you give a da*n about what happens or doesn't in Glasgow East, Scotland or the UK.
And, what gives you the right to tell anyone how to vote ? Do we preach to you how you should view the Italian political sphere, or politicians / parties ? NO!
So, away off and comment on issues relevant to you, not some picture which you are merely trying to get your pennys worth in over, when you are not even within the country being discussed if your place of origin is to be believed.
Jack Simpson wrote:
jkr the tories are not wanted in scotland they are royali
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